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		<title>Gsellman is Ggood!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2016 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert Gsellman came into the season as roughly the 11th guy in line for starts for the 2016 Mets. The Opening Day rotation—Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Colon—looked pretty locked in. Zack Wheeler was supposed to come back before the All-Star break. Logan Verrett and Sean Gilmartin had already proven their mettle in the majors in [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Robert Gsellman came into the season as roughly the 11th guy in line for starts for the 2016 Mets. The Opening Day rotation—Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Colon—looked pretty locked in. Zack Wheeler was supposed to come back before the All-Star break. Logan Verrett and Sean Gilmartin had already proven their mettle in the majors in long relief/spot start duty. Rafael Montero was coming back off an injury-riddled 2015, but he rated to be in line for a call-up. And Gabriel Ynoa, a similarly-ranked prospect to Gsellman, started the season already at Triple-A, a level closer to the majors.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">After that, the injury deluge. Harvey’s out for the season. deGrom and Matz are both struggling through injuries. Syndergaard has needed to be skipped a few times. Wheeler never came back. Verrett and Gilmartin have been both bad and hurt. And thus the Mets have needed to reach deep into the system, not just for Montero and Ynoa, but also for Gsellman. Except the Mets threw one more obstacle in Gsellman’s path to starting: bringing back Jon Niese.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">I don’t know what prompted the Mets to start Niese over Gsellman on August 23. Niese was having a bad-to-awful 2016 by most major pitching metrics. His ERA (5.50) and FIP (5.65) were dreadful, and his DRA (4.63) was mediocre. The Mets reacquired Niese from the Pirates at the deadline with the express intent of using him </span><a href="http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/mets-get-jon-niese-back-in-trade-of-regrets/"><span style="font-weight: 400">out of the bullpen</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">. His first start on August 17 was uninspired at best—four runs over 4.7 innings. And Niese went into the August 23 start with knee troubles. Yet the Mets thought he was so superior an option to Gsellman that they started Niese over him despite all this.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Niese, of course, lasted a mere four batters, and Gsellman came in behind him with 3.7 innings of scoreless relief, finally earning something resembling a regular rotation slot. Gsellman has followed that up with two solid starts, and although the peripherals aren’t quite what you’d hope (11/7 K/BB ratio, 5.53 DRA), we’re still dealing with tiny samples. More importantly, it all </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">looks</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> right.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">How is Gsellman in the majors different from the prospect we saw in the minors? Before the season, Jeffrey Paternostro, in ranking him as the </span><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28523"><span style="font-weight: 400">ninth best prospect in the Mets system</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, had Gsellman sitting 88-92 (lower part of the band being his two-seamer) and touching 94 with the fastball, though noting reports from the past that he’d hit a little higher, and using his curve as his primary out pitch with no significant slider present. At the time, Gsellman profiled for Jeffrey as a fifth starter or pen arm. </span><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/eyewitness_pit.php?reportid=351"><span style="font-weight: 400">Jeffrey saw Gsellman again in May</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> for Double-A Binghamton, and while his addition of a slider bumped him up to a potential fourth starter, the pitch wasn’t all the way there yet, and the overall profile was largely the same.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Gsellman’s </span><a href="http://www.brooksbaseball.net/landing.php?player=607229"><span style="font-weight: 400">Brooks Baseball player card</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> through his first three major league appearances looks little like the reports Jeffrey had. It’s not like those were the wrong reports, either, he’s just clearly not the same pitcher he was even earlier this season. His average four-seam fastball has been at 94.7—higher than any scouting report in the BP database even has Gsellman touching. His two-seamer, sitting in the high-80s just a few months ago, is coming in at a 94.3 average. Both fastballs have touched 97. His slider, now fully a Warthen Slider, is bordering on a cutter as the Warthen Slider tends to do; no matter what you call it, it’s now coming in at 87-90 and touching 91. That’s where his </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">fastballs</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> were not all that long ago. Both the slider/cutter and the curveball have been effective at generating swings-and-misses. Combined with a fringe-average change that’s stayed relatively static, and Gsellman suddenly has quite a lot of weapons to attack hitters with.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">So here’s what you really care about: what is Robert Gsellman’s future now? At the points Jeffrey described him as a four or a five, I certainly would have agreed with those assessments. But we now have the most recent data and it conflicts a lot with the old reports. He’s throwing a </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">lot</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> harder with seeming ease and consistency, and given that he was always a projectable guy and there were </span><a href="http://www.amazinavenue.com/2016/5/13/11673764/new-york-mets-minor-league-robert-gsellman-injury"><span style="font-weight: 400">occasional reports of big radar gun readings</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, he may not give that back. He’s throwing a new slider that might already be his best pitch, and that’s probably a real gain given how many Mets have picked up plus hard sliders that all pretty much look the same. For the rest of 2016, he should be fresh and without any sort of innings limit problem thanks to a fortuitously timed missed month with a groin injury.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">The easy comparison here, the one Mets fans are already making, is Jacob deGrom. It’s a visual comp as much as anything—similar build, similar hair, even similar faces. And it’s a bad comp, because prospects at the level of Jacob deGrom and Robert Gsellman simply </span><a href="http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/06/16/jacob-degroms-down-year-proves-that-hes-a-legitimate-ace/"><span style="font-weight: 400">don’t become true aces like deGrom has</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> very often. Diving a little further as to why Gsellman probably isn’t getting there, despite some similarities in velocity and repertoire, Gsellman simply doesn’t possess deGrom’s elite fastball command or deGrom’s plus-or-higher change. Those are really the things that make deGrom an ace.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">But Gsellman absolutely has made </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">some</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> of the jump that deGrom made, and that might be enough to make him a fine starting pitcher in the majors. A reasonable projection for him, assuming health and normal continuing refinement, is at least a mid-rotation arm now, and he could optimistically be a good number two starter if all breaks right. That’s quite a rise in quite a short time. It’s still early, but this sure looks like yet another win for Dan Warthen and the pitching side of the player development staff.</span></p>
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		<title>A Mightier Thor</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jarrett Seidler]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A year is a long time in baseball. A year ago PECOTA projected the Royals to win 72 games. Clayton Kershaw was the best pitcher in baseball. Mike Trout was the best player in baseball. Okay, so maybe it’s not that long. At first glance, Noah Syndergaard, the young Met pitcher nicknamed “Thor,” didn’t change [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-weight: 400">A year is a long time in baseball. A year ago PECOTA projected the Royals to win 72 games. Clayton Kershaw was the best pitcher in baseball. Mike Trout was the best player in baseball.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Okay, so maybe it’s not that long.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">At first glance, Noah Syndergaard, the young Met pitcher nicknamed “Thor,” didn’t change a lot either. Coming into the 2015 season, despite an up-and-down 2014 in Triple-A, Syndergaard was ranked as the ninth-best prospect in baseball </span><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25538"><span style="font-weight: 400">by Baseball Prospectus</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, and was expected to make his debut by midseason. Sure, there were a few questions about his makeup and his reliance on his four-seam fastball, but the raw stuff was big and Syndergaard was expected to be good. He was called up in May and finished fourth in the National League Rookie of the Year balloting.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">So how is the story of a very good prospect becoming a very good pitcher interesting? It’s because the Noah Syndergaard that finished off 2015 in the World Series had added two very important pitches that just didn’t exist when he reported to Spring Training. And those two new pitches might be the key to unlocking one of the most talented pitchers of this generation.</span></p>
<h3><em><b>The Sinker</b></em></h3>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">First, Syndergaard added a two-seam fastball, also known as a sinker. </span><a href="http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120217&amp;content_id=26733298&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;vkey=news_milb"><span style="font-weight: 400">Syndergaard had nominally thrown a two-seam fastball in the Blue Jays system</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> before he became a Met through the R.A. Dickey trade, but a search through the archives of Baseball Prospectus, Baseball America, and the author’s own notes found nothing indicating Syndergaard threw a notable two-seamer or sinker in the high minors. His four-seam fastball was just one pitch–a pitch that Syndergaard was often given credit for being able to manipulate–but was also criticized as straight, at least as much as you can criticize a starting pitcher touching 101 MPH. When Syndergaard came up to the majors, it was as a three pitch guy: four-seam fastball, curveball, and changeup. That quickly changed.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">In a bullpen session after Syndergaard’s second major league start, Mets pitching coach Dan Warthen taught Syndergaard a new two-seam fastball grip. Over his time with the Mets, Warthen has gained a reputation within the baseball community for minor grip tweaks that create plus or better pitches for pitchers pretty much out of nowhere. The list of Warthen-derived pitch adjustments includes Jeurys Familia’s out of this world splitter, nearly everything marginal prospect-turned-major league ace Jacob deGrom throws, and, as we’ll discuss later, an entire major league staff’s worth of 60-plus sliders.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">The results from Warthen’s latest grip adjustment, the “Thor” two-seamer, were nearly instantaneous. In his first two major league starts, Syndergaard induced eight ground balls; in his third and fourth starts, he got 23 grounders. </span><a href="http://www.faketeams.com/2015/5/29/8684297/a-look-at-noah-syndergaards-tweaked-two-seam-fastball"><span style="font-weight: 400">The pitch was very quickly identifiable as a new, distinct, plus offering</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, and Syndergaard continued to mix it in for the rest of the season.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2016/03/Brooksbaseball-Chart.png"><img class="aligncenter wp-image-60 size-large" src="http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2016/03/Brooksbaseball-Chart-1024x683.png" alt="Brooksbaseball-Chart" width="1024" height="683" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.brooksbaseball.net/landing.php?player=592789"><span style="font-weight: 400">Per Brooks Baseball’s Pitch F/X data</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, Syndergaard threw a mix of 36.3 percent four-seam fastballs and 24.8 percent sinkers in 2015, and in the playoffs his sinker usage actually outpaced his four-seam usage. Compare Syndergaard’s fastball usage in the majors to his fastball usage at Triple-A in 2014, where he threw 66.8 percent four-seam fastballs over a 15-start sample recorded by </span><a href="http://www.astrometsmind.com/p/a-closer-look-at-noah-syndergaards.html"><span style="font-weight: 400">Mets minor league enthusiast Astromets</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, and the contrast is stark.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">A common criticism as Syndergaard moved up the minor league ladder was that Syndergaard lacked deception with his fastball. Most major league hitters can hit even a 97-100 MPH fastball if it always looks the same and they know it’s coming. But a two-seam fastball of the quality of the one Syndergaard throws </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">doesn’t</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> move like a four-seam fastball; Syndergaard’s two-seamer shows hard, late run down and armside. So that fastball deception that Syndergaard lacked as a prospect now exists.</span></p>
<h3><em><b>The Warthen Slider</b></em></h3>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Much ado has been made about the slider that numerous Mets pitchers have added or improved at the major league level under the tutelage of pitching coach Dan Warthen. Warthen teaches a special slider grip that results in higher velocity and tighter spin than a typical slider, which has become known as the “Warthen Slider.” This pitch has been successfully picked up at the major league level by, among others, Matt Harvey, Jacob deGrom, Jeurys Familia, Hansel Robles, and Steven Matz. Sometimes this pitch is a new addition and sometimes it replaced lesser sliders or cutters in their arsenal.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Syndergaard did not regularly feature a slider as a prospect, but as early as 2013, then-Baseball Prospectus prospect writer and current St. Louis Cardinals scout Zach Mortimer </span><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=21792"><span style="font-weight: 400">suggested</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> that Syndergaard would add a slider or cutter as he moved up in levels. In </span><a href="http://www.amazinavenue.com/2013/2/28/4040060/new-york-mets-prospects-noah-syndergaard-curveball"><span style="font-weight: 400">several</span></a> <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-mets-are-throwing-the-dan-warthen-slider/"><span style="font-weight: 400">interviews</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> over the years, Syndergaard mentioned that he had tinkered with a slider, but had mostly used the slider principles Blue Jays and Mets coaches taught him to gain velocity on his curveball. Syndergaard had thrown a small handful of slider-like pitches in the majors in June 2015, but not with the premium velocity and break that would appear later.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Syndergaard first started messing with something more resembling the Warthen Slider in a game against the Nationals on July 23. Syndergaard threw eight mostly good looking sliders ranging in velocity from 88 to 92 MPH. Then he shelved the pitch until the Mets had effectively wrapped up the division in September. By the time Syndergaard faced the hapless Atlanta Braves on September 12th, he was taking the ball with a 9.5 game divisional lead. Pitching on 12 days of rest with a huge playoff lead against a team that more or less couldn’t hit would be exactly the situation where a pitcher could try new things in a game situation. So the Warthen Slider popped back up … and the pitch was electric.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Syndergaard only threw 19 pitches that Brooks Baseball classified as a slider before September 12th. Including the playoffs, Syndergaard threw 67 sliders from that date on, featuring the pitch 9.3 percent of the time. That’s still not overly-frequent usage, and the pitch sometimes disappeared in games when Syndergaard didn’t have the feel or need for it. But when Syndergaard did throw the slider, it was nearly unhittable. In the 2015 regular season and playoffs, batters whiffed on Syndergaard’s slider on 55.3 percent of swings; only one starting pitcher throwing more than 50 sliders in 2015–Jerad Eickhoff–put up a comparable rate. Small sample size and sustainability caveats obviously apply, but Syndergaard’s slider </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">looks</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> like an impossible pitch to hit when he has command of it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">But somehow, with only a few exceptions, Syndergaard’s new weapon flew mostly under the radar in 2015. Various media outlets reported early this spring that Syndergaard was developing a cutter, then </span><a href="https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/702916624232423424"><span style="font-weight: 400">clarified</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> it was the Warthen Slider without noting that he had thrown it on and off last season, and that it was a </span><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/noah-syndergaard-brought-a-slider-to-the-playoffs/"><span style="font-weight: 400">key part</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> of his arsenal by the time the Mets entered October. Syndergaard has worked on the Warthen Slider for much of the spring exhibition season, and while we don’t have PITCHf/x data for the Grapefruit League, it looks like the same devastating pitch he flashed in late 2015.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Even before he started regularly throwing the slider, Syndergaard had already made it most of the way in his journey to a top-of-the-rotation pitcher. In his rookie regular season, Syndergaard posted a 3.24 ERA and 3.59 Deserved Run Average with 166 strikeouts against only 31 walks in 150 regular season innings, and was one of the brightest stars of the playoffs. Syndergaard shifted so quickly from an underwhelming 2014 in Triple-A into an overwhelming 2015 in the majors that it doesn’t seem like complete folly to expect another big jump, but there’s a limit to how good pitchers can be that aren’t named Clayton Kershaw. Or is there?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">Consider this: both of Syndergaard’s fastballs grade at a true 80 on the 20-to-80 scouting scale. He’s the hardest throwing starting pitcher in the major leagues, with little velocity difference between the two fastballs, and good movement and command. The slider, as new as it is, is flashing enormous potential. Before the 2015 season, with his prospect stock a little down, </span><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25017"><span style="font-weight: 400">Baseball Prospectus</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> graded his curveball–nicknamed by Terry Collins the “</span><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/81287/tc-on-noah-97-mph-with-hook-from-hell"><span style="font-weight: 400">hook from hell</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">” in 2014–as a potential 70 pitch, with the change as a potential 60-plus pitch. In his rookie season, they were both effective major league offspeed pitches, and at least flashed the grades BP projected.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400">So what comes next? The kind of arsenal we’re talking about Syndergaard might end up with &#8230; that could be better than any righty in the game. Maybe he gets all the way there, maybe not. What is pretty obvious now is that health and pitching gods willing, “Thor” is going to be pretty special.</span></p>
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